Why? False. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. False. Nope. Ms. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. It was Patricias hair no question. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. The premiere episode will air following the series finale of Power. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. More hairs there. I agree. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. She had money put aside. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Book her. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Great catch. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. I really never thought of it again.. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. See Commonwealth v. Rorrer, CP-39- CR-0002176-1997 (C.C.P. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Not everything is a conspiracy. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Stable situation. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Although I would have liked it to be death! And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. I noticed quite a few errors myself. And she will have to answer eventually. . So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. (A good point. It's been more than 20 years since Patricia Rorrer was convicted of killing her ex-boyfriend's wife, Joann. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Hoist by your own petard. The evidence was all there. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). The real killer is Rorrer! No show. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence.. Or did they? The District Attorney got this one right. She took out the woman who replaced her. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. I certainly dont consider its more likely the victims husbands the perp than Rorrer, as has been suggested, leaving Rorrer or a stranger. I agree that the putative motive is relatively weak (though motive is ultimately subjective and theres no accounting for anger, bitterness, jealousy etc) and to convict on that substantially would be absurd. she didnt need to . Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Puny policy. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Create a free website or blog at . They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Thats all for this post. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. It seems so, according to you. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. What a lame article. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. I cant lose them, he told the media. Thank you and well said. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. It is of course good and desirable that third parties press the case for innocence because it maximises the chance that guilty verdicts are correct (given that it is worse for the innocent to be found guilty than the reverse). Docket at pp. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Marcus on Patricia Rorrer: An Update; Rebecca Reisner on Molly and Clay Daniels: Some Body They Didn't Use to Know; Jessica on Molly and Clay Daniels: Some Body They Didn't Use to Know; Archives Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office. February 29, 2020. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! I think shes guilty for sure. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. What definition? On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Yeah, no. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Very similar. Free Patricia Rorrer This was the reality for 58-year-old Patricia Rorrer, who is currently serving life in prison at Muncy State Correctional Institution (SCI) in Pennsylvania. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Am I missing something? It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Why not question some of this evidence? Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight!