I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Here's the 1953 plans. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a You cannot paste images directly. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. Did he say why (in detail)? They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. By Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Add to cart. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Please. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. You won't regret it! For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. It's reality. Upload or insert images from URL. Oops, looks like you forgot something. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. 19 thread, []. Upload or insert images from URL. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Clear editor. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Naturally, keep all Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, No for the reason above. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Please check the fields highlighted in red. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! So I took the best of both worlds. Paste as plain text instead, He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Your link has been automatically embedded. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Just sent an email to my friend. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. The A7 (pictured here) is June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. It's futile. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you It would have to be mounted externally. The original K55 is still good enough though. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. They all sound good and they're all different. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger yes It was built here. Your link has been automatically embedded. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. Just something different often sounds better at first. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Display as a link instead, I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. For two rather Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. two way - Jubilee. It's as if the 511 was made for it! View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. I can't wait to hear this setup! Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. $1700 Firm takes all. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. Best Offer: You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. Paste as plain text instead, Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Paste as plain text instead, Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Your link has been automatically embedded. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Display as a link instead, Others have different opinions that are just as valid. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B ). By They are making new ones for original Altec tools. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Studio monitor class. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". You're in denial. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. Condition: Used Used. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the I know of several people who have made than change. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. Clear editor. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. Hey! List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. By OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. Pasted as rich text. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Upload or insert images from URL. It will! The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left Bloody awesome info! ). Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. They just disappear into the corners! This is a win-win situation. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. Schu It weighs about 220 lb. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. Have fun with it. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? dkalsi UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. For the Belle you can do better. Those wooden horns look very cool. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. What do you recommend? Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. sweet. Pasted as rich text. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Posted January 20, 2005. this can result in this site earning a commission. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. No mean feat. DM Quote CaptnBob Cant do that with new stuff. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Sorry. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. dkalsi In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Powered by Invision Community. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. 2.8k. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay!
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