Proper 9mm bullets yield sufficient penetration in soft tissue, but it may not stop a bear quickly enough to avoid being mauled. LOL . ======================================================================. However, if you are dealing with an especially large or aggressive bear, you may need something more powerful. Polar bear attacks are expected there, and tourists are not allowed unless they carry a high powered firearm. We have to do better. In 1984, Winchester began to produce rifles chambered for cartridge, legitimizing Waters dream, and establishing it as a commercial cartridge. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. Hes a fear pimp. Any dolls at all? 6. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. Of absolute importance when you choose a handgun caliber for bear defense, stopping power is at the top of the list. test, none of us were looking forward to running the S&W 329 PD with the Hornady 240-grain JHP loads I had brought along. Remember that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet you still need to know how to use it effectively, Make yourself as big and loud as possible; shout and clap your hands, Try to scare the bear away by throwing objects at it or spraying it with pepper spray, If those things dont work, use your firearm to shoot the bear in the most vital areas: its head, chest or neck, The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield, A well placed shot from a .44 Magnum will penetrate both shoulders of a black bear with ease, When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope, Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. This attack makes29 pistol defenses against bears that I have found. This gun has a 2.5-inch barrel and is fitted with Hogue grips. cartridges like 7mm Rem, which are both versatile and dependable. photo from thetruthaboutguns.com. Ill have to ask what brand he has. And to the the post of a guy shot many times with a 9mm, you are correct sir. Good placement and a heavy bullet at a decent speed. The 9mm has 350 to 450 ft/lbs. Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. Does anybody, anywhere, have any idea what Hank means? I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. of energy. For general backpacking in grizzly country, MeatEater Founder Steven Rinella has carried both bear spray and a .44 Magnum revolver. Want to feel fear for the right reasons? When I wrote, But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?, it was a statement about black bears. Now thats a first-class comment! One thing Ive never called you is stupid. Sure makes it shorter and lighter, easier to carry and draw. They were attacked by a large grizzly bear . All of your comments are irrelevant. But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life? The 44 magnum is no exception. statement Ive made people really understand what to do about bears? Not at all. In his research of hundreds of bear attacks the people who used handguns usually did not survive the attack. However, as far as stopping power on even the largest grizzly bear, it delivers enough energy to get the job done. The full account is worth reading for anyone interested in the dynamics of bear attacks and the effectiveness of pistols for defense against bears. Check the following. Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds. Several folks have even successfully killed bears with a 9mm. Think about it. Your alcohol. I learned things that could make the difference between success and failure. Your cigarettes. The article was about pistols being used to defend against bears. Do not take chances with this powerful ammunition if you are unsure about your shooting ability or if there is any doubt that a bear could be stopped with the round you are carrying, it is best to retreat and seek safety. And you actually said this:handguns are the best. The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield. . The dog did nothing more than backup, sneeze, and trot away. is the standard most American hunters use. Heard that from a park ranger or game warden, no doubt. Never needed it, but I remember he let me shoot it, almost knocked me over! Be prepared to take down more than one bear if necessary. Youre not. https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/ Should be easy to find if they are out there. Buffalo Bore produces several loads for the .50 Alaskan, including a 450-grain bullet that delivers a whopping 4,400 ft.-lbs. Since grizzlies tend to be more aggressive than black bears, more problem encounters occur with grizzlies than other bear species. 1. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. Overall, the 44 magnum revolvers are lighter weight than the larger caliber handguns. You can carry a 9 in bear country if you want, but make sure the sights are filed down! I have always acknowledged your educational and army background and qualifications when Ive criticized you. I have fifteen articles on the Alaskan revolver in my archives, and i learned something from them all. If I carried any handgun for self defense, Id only load it with one roundfor myself. Even in the flawed study Efficacy of firearms for bear deterrence in Alaska the researchers only found 269 attacks in Alaska. 4. The heaviest I have found without casting my own is 265 gr. I carry a 6 inch Redhawk with 325 grain hard cast lead handloads when I go to Grizzly country. SEE IT. This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. Thorofare Country south of Yellowstone, Grizzly at 10 feet, .44 magnum and .357 magnum, September, 2013 (report from 2015) Then at about 2:45 p.m., a collared boar grizzly identified as bear No . That same bullet in a .357 Magnum exits a four-inch barrel upwards of 1,400 fps. Depends on what type of bear. It isnt pleasant but I can shoot the 44 Magnum one-handed and manage a reasonable follow-up shot. Like a man. Other guys alcohol. You have entered an incorrect email address! When carrying 44 mag ammo for bear protection, it is also important to be aware of the range at which you are likely to encounter the animal. This is a website about guns, not WebMD. You cant speak of the pros without also talking about the cons in any situation. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. Likely been in a group home since his folks could no longer care for him. Interesting study. The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reeds .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. You should be using slugs, and not just your average deer slug but hot ones, and you can forget about buckshot. Of course, being familiar with your gun and practiced with its use is as important as the cartridge selection. 10 BEST PADDLE BOARD AND KAYAK COMBOS 2023 WITH BUYING GUIDE, Grizzly 300 Grain Cast lead bullet wide flat nose, Buffalo Bore 300-grain hard cast flat nose bullet, Buffalo Bore 300 grain jacketed flat nose. Unlock the Benefits of Knowing Your Winchester Serial Number, Complete Buyers Guide to the Sig Sauer P228. Pistolero Magazine in the 1980s when shooting barnyard hogs found that there was no difference in killing power between the .357 magnum, .45 acp, 38 special and 919. Unless and until you provide evidence to support the claim, thats all it is; a claim. . Wheres your manning-up and saying you were wrong, Hank? I compare the 10mm and the 44 magnum cartridges, weighing their strengths and weaknesses for the role of bear defense.Check out the new video where we use th. The Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan owned by a friend who regularly hunts in Montana is his bear defense weapon. Far more important, in my book, is the ability to draw and accurately fire your bear defense weapon in a very short period of time. 8. Can a .44 Magnum L5 Desert Eagle stop a Bear attack? Two questions: Oddly enough, that same 158 grain LRN bullet is prone to through and through on people. Bruh it's a black bear not a Grizzly. I hunt on Kodiak. But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. As I pulled the revolver out, a sudden calm came over me, and I knew everything would be fine. TTAG has lots of writers who are smarter than him when it comes to the woods and guns. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! He includes several photographs. Did you ever even bother to check on last weeks bear attack in Florida after I said you were wrong? I have found 30 instances so far. However, most bear encounters are under less than perfect conditions. Ticks. The latest way appears to be an app called CamoSpace, designed specifically for members of the hunting community. His raging confrontational writing style that relies upon fabricated facts, is so close to his that I wouldnt be surprised if it was revealed that he indeed is actually my nephew. No joke, a full house 44 Mag in a rifle kicks. Thats a cool chest rig. While a well-placed shot from a 10mm can no doubt do the trick, the .357 Mag. Available in shorter versions like the Smith & Wesson 629 with 4-inch barrel, the .44 Mag. Even the very biggest brown bears are 1,500 pounds. My hunting friend swears by his Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan. Many laud the .44 Magnum as real bear medicine, and it's got plenty of power for a bear defense handgunas long as you remember that it's still not a rifle. But whenever he's in an area with a serious and credible grizzly threat, he likes his 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. from the muzzle. 2) lots of bear attack stories lately. 1. Woot! I use Lyman no. Believe it or not those that used pepper spray or just played dead survived more than those that pulled out hand guns and blazed away. I spray with mine regularly, even though I have to buy a lot more of it, both for practice and for making sure its as potent as can be. If I had to camp for the night. Some hunters also prefer to use rounds with higher grain weights, such as 440 or even 500, for larger bears. Now that you mention it, my wife was the one that told me Right after asking if the life insurance was up to date, It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear.. Ruger just took a Super Redhawk and cut the barrel even with the frame extension. No problem. Thankfully he decided to scale the cliff because it was a good 20 seconds or more before I could undo the straps to my rifle and get it pointed in his direction. When I worked as a hunting guide, my boss introduced me to our hunters as PETA Joe, do to my love of critters, I dont trust bears, theyre hard to make friends with. Sep 17, 2005. The 44-magnum pistol that I occasionally shoot is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan model. Its similar to the one my cousin uses. Thats about the only way a handgun bullet is going to drop a charging bear that quickly. WHEN FURTHER A FIELD ALSO CARRY MARLIN SS 1895 LEVER WITH BUFFALO BORE RECOMMENDED ROUND IN 45-70. Because so many hunters got bowled over, mauled,and prevented from shooting straight when they tried to shoot from underneath a grizz with long-barreled handguns. Hundreds of bear attacks? NAM TAUGHT ME SH#T, SHOWER, SHAVE, SLEEP WITH WEAPON. A 5" S&W 629 .44 Magnum revolver being fired with full power ammo at the point of maximum recoil. .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. Kim had a Glock model 20 10 mm pistol with him. There was no time for the careful placement of the front sight, as the bear was nearly upon him. Because of this thing called real world experience. 44 mag ammo for bear can be a life-saving tool, but only if it is used correctly. People must do that. Its important to remember, however, that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet. There are other handguns in larger calibers that deliver more energy on target. It would have been just as inaccessible while my body was pumping with adrenaline. You write em and put your name on em, you have to do that heavy lifting. But they dont press that fear button like bears, do they? Why wouldnt you choose a long-barreled gun that shoots with higher velocity, better penetration, more accuracy, less muzzle flip, less recoil, and holds one more bullet to stop a charging bear? Favorites include, from top, an S&W in .44 Mag, a Dan Wesson in .445 SuperMag and a single-action Ruger chambered in .41 Magnum. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .300 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest grizzly or brown bear. The bears run in and out of the visual field of the video camera. WE HAVE WOLVES, MTN LIONS AND BEARS APLENTY AROUND MY ELK CAMP. The cartridge was used to thwart attacks from black bear, brown bear, grizzly, and even a Kodiak Bear. in Southern Cal., I have been on many gangland shootings involving the 9mm.While it does have the necessary power to kill people, as often as not, people survive being shot with this caliber.The last call involving a 9mm, the victim was shot 15 times and was still fighting us to get up off the gurney and get some payback. Very difficult to do, but an absolute guaranteed instant stopper. My Uncle Allen used a 12gauge (rifled slug) center mass at 30 feet. Granted, the stopping power of any pistol is low, but the nonsense in your post about the .38 vs .45 makes everything else you say not credible. I dont know if I would call it a design. A sold core flat nose bullet has a better chance of penetrating a grizzly bears heavy skin, thick coat, and large bones than a hollow point that is designed to expand as rapidly as possible. Personally, multiple rounds at close range with 00 buck will rip your fucking eyeballs out, no matter what you are. Ive read about a bazillion books on camping and backpacking. and it bounced around inside its cranium it might stop it. It is easy to see that the 44 Magnum is far from being the most powerful handgun in the world. I am looking forward to seeing them. Most black bears can be stopped with a bullet fired from as close as 20 yards away, but brown and grizzly bears can be much more dangerous and may require shots from further distances. GO FIGURE. Aim for the center of mass whenever possible in order to ensure a quick and clean kill. .357 S&W MagnumWhile some folks claim the .44 Magnum is the minimum for charging bears, many others have opted for a Glock 20 in 10mm Auto and, interestingly enough, passed right by the .357 S&W Magnum. Penetration is key, so hard cast lead is the way to go. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. Presumably he removed it when they started cleaning the moose, which is probably the worst time to do so. They did not have a .44 magnum. Im not criticizing him for that, but he didnt say it was his research. 3. Do your own research, calculate the very physics/ ballistics the Taylor Knock Down Factor. Now how many other domestic animals such as pets have been taken, is anyones guess. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. All in the family wish him nothing but the best, however his violent and irrational demeanor makes him a true pariah and danger to himself and anyone around him. When it comes to defending yourself against a bear attack, theres no substitute for 44 mag ammo. Ruger chambers the .454 Casull in both the Super Redhawk with a 4-inch barrel and the Alaskan in a 3-inch variant, both of which are compact and easy to draw when things get up close and personal. BLACK BEARS: . If you do encounter one, though, remember these tips: It is important to note that even if a 44 Magnum round does stop a bear in its tracks, there is still a chance that it could come back after being shot. Tyler Freel A 12 gauge's effectiveness can vary tremendously based on the ammunition used. It was day 3 of the hunt and we decided to head home due to adverse weather. The hunters violated the most basic safety rule when cleaning game to pack out. American Buffalo Knife and Tool Co. is adding to its line of Roper Knives with the new Sunset Series Tumble Weed. of energy at the muzzle. Gun Watch. Im pretty sure Ive seen you as a full-time, Soros-funded troll over at The Federalist. For more information on how to protect yourself from bears, visit the website of your local hunting or outdoors store. Alaskan moose hunters Doug White and Reed Thompson were working on packing out the meat and head from a successful hunt. All of that being said, in my past 4 years in Alaska, you know how many times Ive been attacked by a bear? Luck by definition means the odds are against you. I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. Your personal decision to sit on your ass too much. Delivered energy at a given distance, usually measured in ft-lbs. Such senseless killing. Assumption. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Taylor Knock Out Factor. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. If only those murderous hunters had been carrying bear spray, that poor bear would still be alive. What matters more is the right bullet. You still need to know how to use it effectively in order to maximize its potential. Along with delivered energy, we must also consider bullet weight and velocity. .. Im kidding, of course! The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. Lets face it. Sourced? When grizzlies threaten, North Country sportmen pick up long guns, not revolvers. Keep your distance if possible. So youre absolutely not man enough to admit that you were wrong about the Florida attack, then? You have to do more than say there are books out there, you have to read em. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 No big bears. If you end up underneath a Grizzly that mauling your ass pre-shot and still-biting-you theres a common, two word, phrase for that kind of situation. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum - completely in the vein of Dirty Harry - still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. You have access to the Internets, just as others do. Yes, a 44 Magnum is capable of killing a bear, although it is not recommended as a bear defense arms. Anybody? Big credit to the guy finding his calm in that situation; it allowed him to place a well aimed shot . FLORIDA IN WINTER AND HAVE USED IT ON SEVERAL PIT BULLS AFTER ME AND NOT THAT IMPRESSED, FIGURE PISSED OFF BEAR 100 X PIT BULL SO NO THANKS. Comparatively, the 44-magnum ammunition I prefer to carry for bear defense is much cheaper than some. Weight X Velocity X Diameter /7000 = TKOF However, if we are considering the average person on an outdoor adventure, we need to look at the best fit option. .600 Nitro Express (900gr Kynoch solid at 2,000fps)(7992 ft lbs): 159.4, *** I saw a buckle with a strap running through it. And Im sick with the flu,so Im goofing off in this pathetic comments section.
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